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Prolifers Value the Mother by Unicornarama Prolifers Value the Mother by Unicornarama
I support ending a pregnancy to save the mother's life. It's the ONLY time I'm at all comfortable with an abortion, and only then if there's no way to save them both. It's hardly worth mentioning because such cases are so rare, but leave it to the prochoicers to pull out fringe cases and present them as if they're the only cases.

When two lives are in danger and only one can be saved, we must try to save that life.


I can't tell you how many times I've heard the argument that "prolifers want the mother to die!" or "prolifers will force her to carry to term even if the fetus is already dead!" or "pregnancy is dangerous so abortion should be kept legal!" and so on. I don't know of an eloquent way to say this, but... no.

The truth is that with me, and most other prolifers, we don't want the mother to die and we won't force her to carry to term if her health is in jeopardy because of the pregnancy. We're pro-life, remember? People who murder prochoicers or want to force the mother to risk her life are not prolife, they're just anti-abortion. Whether or not you believe it, most prolifers actually approve of abortion if the mother is in danger. This is because we believe people have the right to protect their lives if they choose to do so. It's what's known as self-defense. Is it murder to kill someone if they're going to kill you? No. You're defending yourself. Granted, the baby doesn't intend to hurt its mother, but that doesn't change what's happening during a life-threatening pregnancy. And even more so, if the mother dies during her pregnancy, in almost every case her baby will die, too. What's the point in losing two lives? An abortion that is done to protect the mother is not done to destroy a life, but to save one. It's a terrible situation, but you must ask yourself this: is it right to force someone to sacrifice their life for someone else, especially if that someone else will most lilely die anyway?

It's time prochoicers quit using this baseless strawman argument against prolifers. Most of us approve of abortion to save the mother's life. End of story.

All that said, if there is a way to give the baby a chance in a dangerous pregnancy, I believe we should try. For example, if the mother can hold out until the 20th week, she should try to. That way the baby has a chance to survive outside the womb. Unfortunately that can't always be done, though. When it can, we should always try. Less death is always something to aim for, right? I have the utmost respect for women who choose to carry to term in dangerous pregnancies.






PULLING THE "EMOTIONAL DISTRESS" CARD

People often bring up emotional distress that an unwanted pregnancy can cause, and say that that's reason enough for abortion. Again, unless her life is in danger, that's not good enough for me.

If she is so distressed that it's taking a physical toll on her, or if she is at risk of mebtal illness, then each situation like that should be considered individually to see if there would be any significant long term negative effects (such as self harm, suicide, or PTSD) of carrying to viability. Such things are EXTREMELY rare, but they have happened, so they need to be considered. There needs to be much more involved than just walking into a clinic that wants her money and telling them that her pregnancy makes her sad or scared. There needs to be a team of objective psychologists and medical doctors to interview her and determine if there really is a risk of mental illness and/or physical harm from her claimed distress. The problem with allowing abortions for all cases of "emotional distress" is that any woman can tell you a sob story about how she's feeling sad and then execute her offspring for no reason other than convenience.

On top of that, if a woman is unable to deal with pregnancy emotionally, why in the world did she have sex in the first place? This is just common sense, people. Risking something that you can't deal with is what's commonly known as stupid. If you're not insured in case you have a car accident, don't drive! If you don't have health insurance for injuries, don't play dangerous sports! If you don't want a tenant, don't hang a "for rent" sign outside your house! Should we give the death sentence to an innocent third party because some woman made a foolish decision? Of course not!

Women should make their choices BEFORE conception, not after. She can use multiple birth controls, she can get herself sterilized (or her partner, as sterilization is reversible in men), or just not have sex. You CAN live without sex, ESPECIALLY if she's not ready for pregnancy.
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schizocatgirl264 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2016  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank God you have sense
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2016  Student General Artist
I'm pro-life, so I don't believe any human (not matter their age or development) should be killed because they're inconvenient, but I'm also a firm believer that people have the right to kill in self-defense. Fortunately, cases of the mother's life being in danger and the baby being unable to save are very rare. Most of the time she can make it to 20 weeks and the baby can be surgically removed and both of them can be saved.
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schizocatgirl264 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2016  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I think we both know of a future scenario where abortion will be necessary. What are your views on the mentally ill having children? I'm against it so I'm getting my tubes tied.
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Emeraldii Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with that stamp. I don't support abortion just because. Only because of rape,incest,sickness or the mother's life I support it,because it is for the best.
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Laralove31 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know that many people agree with you on this but if I were a mother and my child's life and mine would be in jepordy I would choose to die so the baby could live... That is in my opinion please don't be offended by it.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2016  Student General Artist
That's fine! I've never heard of a case where the baby could survive if the mother died, but it would be her decision if that ever were the case.
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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
My friend Emily's mother died after childbirth from a rare thing I don't remember the name of, it used to happen a lot 50+ years ago. She of course managed to live because her aunt had recently had a baby and she breastfed Emily. She couldn't keep Emily though, so Emily was adopted and she's happy and healthy now. 
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2016  Student General Artist
Was it eclampsia? That sometimes happened 50 or so years ago. Doctors know the warning signs now, and C-sections can save them both. I'm glaf your friend is okay, though!
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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 15, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I think it was. Yeah, she's happy now, she has her two dads who love her a lot (a married same-sex couple adopted her). :3 
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Laralove31 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah that's true
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jabbathemutt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm still prochoice whether you like it or not
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Student General Artist
Are you trying to start a fight or something?
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jabbathemutt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No?
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Student General Artist
"Whether you like it or not" is a very antagonistic thing to say. If you're not aware of that, please take this moment to become aware. It'll help you a lot in life!
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jabbathemutt Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can be pro choice If I want to.
What if someone got raped and got pregnant? You wouldn't want someone to have a baby created by rape.
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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 11, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
That's actually offensive to women who keep it. My friend's sister was abducted and raped, and she kept her baby, his name is Benjamin. Her boyfriend isn't biologically related to Ben, but he's raising him as his father. They're all just fine now. 

In the end, abortion is a choice. It can't be forced, and pregnancy shouldn't be forced either. But women shouldn't use it as a birth control method. In cases that she got pregnant from consensual sex, it depends. Was she using birth control and did it fail? Is she mentally and physically ready to be a mother? Does she have a back-up plan if abortion is out of the question? 
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016  Student General Artist
So you believe in enforcing abortion?
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jabbathemutt Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's their choice. No ONE is being forced to abort their baby.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016  Student General Artist
"You wouldn't want someone to have a baby created by rape."
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GengarPunk95 Featured By Owner May 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I am okay with abortion

I don't care if a person goes to have an abortion because their womb isn't my womb

Their womb, their business 
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
allow me to present a better counterargument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, this woud mean that it was unjust for FDR to try and stop Hitler. " I don't care if a leader wants to start a pogrom because their country isn't my country.  their country, their business."

before you reply, let me point out that this is only an invalid comparison if you presume that a fetus in fact isn't sapient.  if a fetus  is sapient, then killing one would be just as bad as killing you.

and before you give me a reason for considering a fetus a nonperson anyway,  please make sure it wouldn't also  deny rights to androids, aliens, or conjoined or parasitic twins (that is, instances of parasitic twins where the parasitic one happens to have a fully developed brain).
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner May 12, 2016  Student General Artist
What about their daughter's womb?
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Yoshi1337 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is the only reason for abortion I support, honestly
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KittenPrince55 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 11, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
What about rape victims who don't want the baby or she's way too young? 
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2016  Student General Artist
Yep, same here. And then only if there's no way to save them both.
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SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Professional Writer
You know who doesn't? The Twilight series of books.

...Am I the first person in the comments to mention this?
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Student General Artist
I thought Bella chose of her own free will to carry to term.
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SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2016  Professional Writer
Bella is a representation of the author, and how she wishes she was. The books are mormon propaganda. I know saying that out loud makes me sound like one of those nuts that believe Pokemon promotes satanism, but the Vampires are based on Mormons and the Werewolves based on some religious group the writer didn't get permission from. After spamming the anvilicious "Always wait until you're old enough before doing it" message and after that passes, they go with pro-life spamming. According to my "Pro-life" friend, even the most idiotically-hardcore anti-choice person will admit that it's ok for a mother to cast fetus deletus on herself if the baby is going to kill them both and then die, or kill the mother on its way out and then live. The writer of this story never got the memo, and so, super-baby vampire was born, the mother surviving as a colossal middle finger aimed at every mother who thought she'd survive but didn't and every mother that decided not to because she didn't want to die. Religion, man. Not even once.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
I actually met one guy who was against abortion even in this circumstance, although his lack of a reply suggested to me that he changed his mind after I walked him through the simple math of the matter ("one dead person is better than two, no?")

"Religion, man. Not even once."

any large group of people is going to have its extreme nutters, so bashing religion for having fundamentalists makes zero sense.  I'm even arguing with a prochoicer right now who adamantly holds that the right to bodily autonomy is more important than the right to life.

I could also show you a pretty pagefull of nutter atheists if you want.
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SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Professional Writer
And I could show you a "Pretty pagefull" of black people being stupid. Would that prove anything? Would that entitle you to prejudices?

Or, perhaps, I could show you multiple pages full of Islamic acts of terror, and ask if that'll shut you up about atheism.

A radical atheist will argue with a Christian on the internet for days on end and take pics of himself cutting up a bible with a katana. Yes, very terrifying.
A radical christian will rant in churches about the evils of mansex. Yes, very evil.
A radical muslim will carry out terrorist attacks, killing hundreds. Oh, it's just their religion! Rape and murder are culturally subjective crimes, amirite?

You can claim any large group has its nutters, but Islamic fundamentalism isn't just a buzzword. An Islamic Fundamentalist follows the fundamentals of Islam. And the fundamentals of Islam itself literally are murder, genocide, and tyranny. You'd know this if you read their book and did any research beyond what garbage-tier memes tell you. Also, please, get it right. Atheism is the lack of religion, bashing someone for not having a religion is like mocking an actor for not being in a terrible movie, and claiming it somehow makes him Just As Bad(TM) as those in it.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
"Would that prove anything? Would that entitle you to prejudices?"

No it would not, which is exactly my point.


"...killing hundreds. Oh, it's just their religion! Rape and murder are culturally subjective crimes, amirite?"

Actually, it's not even their religion. The Koran give quite a few instructions that go against the behavior of radical Islam, such as the commands to educate women and to not kill civilians or people who surrender. Most Middle-Easterners simply aren't able to read.


"An Islamic Fundamentalist follows the fundamentals of Islam."

No, actually. A "religious fundamentalist" is not simply someone who sticks to the fundamentals of their religion. I don't know why the group has the name it does, nor can the actual definition be easily put into words (at least for me), but I can tell you that if the word had any validity outside of a theological context (which it actually doesn't), then the American Tea Party could easily be called republican fundamentalists, that angry group of women that tumblr is infamous for could be called feminist fundamentalists, etc.

Even within the realm of theology, there's a popular semi-official term known as "fundamentalist atheists." It's actually far more appropriate than you might think: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WGr2…


"And the fundamentals of Islam itself literally are murder, genocide, and tyranny. You'd know this if you read their book and did any research beyond what garbage-tier memes tell you."

I stopped following memes some time ago.   I get my info on Islam from actual Muslims.


"Atheism is the lack of religion"

I never claimed otherwise.


"bashing someone for not having a religion"

never did that either.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2016  Student General Artist
Are you saying women should be forced to abort dangerous pregnancies..?
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SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2016  Professional Writer
Are you saying they should be banned from aborting dangerous pregnancies?

See? I can do it, too. Think before you speak next time, and try making an actual coherent argument.

If this is the comment thread I think it is, I said Twilight's writer, Stephanie Meyer, feels they should be forced to never get abortions, even when they're dangerous.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2016  Student General Artist
Lol, that's hardly what I was saying. Why are you getting aggressive? I'm trying to understand what you said.

I don't get that vibe from the story at all, actually. Bella wanted to keep her vampire baby. No one forced anything on her. I'm not a fan of Twilight, though, so I won't be dragged into a Twilight debate. I'm just not even going to go there.
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SilverStarApple Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2016  Professional Writer
I'm not aggressive, and you know that. I'd accuse you of being aggressive if I wasn't better than this game, and it's clear that you're getting afraid.

Bella is the author. An idealized portrait of herself, matching in every physical descriptor we're given. And yes, I'm saying that despite sharing my eye colour with my OC, because my OC isn't me. I had to give him personality flaws I lacked to make him more relatable.

Bella, on the other hand, has a sue aura that compels everyone to love her, forgive her for her mistakes, and treat her in a special way. The author believes abortion is wrong because her mormon cult told her it's wrong. She believes what she is programmed to believe.

For a non-Twilight fan, you sure want to defend it. I don't like Twilight, but I can still provide a coherent argument about it, something you've consistently failed to do.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2016  Student General Artist
Afraid? Yeah, sure. Dude, I'm not going to bother arguing with you about a stupid book about creepy sex. Believe whatever you want about it. I have better things to do with my time.
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stealthpanther Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2016
I agree. I don't agree with abortion, but in the rare event that the lives are at stake, then that is the only exception.  
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2016  Student General Artist
Yes, that's how I feel. I've come across a few prolifers who legitimately believe that women should be forced to sacrifice their lives even if the baby would die anyway, but fortunately that kind of prolifers is quite rare.
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FelisLupus Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Just like a fandom, too bad it's often the craziest of people who have the loudest of voices.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016  Student General Artist
Yeah, my university was like that. If I had gotten pregnant while I was there, and even if there was a 100% chance that I would die without an abortion, they'd still expect me to carry to term.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2016  Student General Artist
I didn't block anyone for disagreeing with me.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2016
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I just felt how what the essay communicates is appropriate, since if people did what it says to then you wouldn't need to make stamps like this.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2016  Student General Artist
Oh okay! Sorry, I missed that.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
just now stumbling back across this.  I honestly don't know how I thought it would be clear what I actually meant by linking you to that essay.
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TheBlackNova Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016
SO much yes. This is truly the one situation where an abortion is deemed acceptable by true pro-lifers.
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016  Student General Artist
Yep. People who believe the mother should die aren't prolife, they're just anti-abortion.
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Pokemonlover777 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmmmmm... I find difficult to take a side... Cause both lifes are important
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Unicornarama Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Student General Artist
Yes. That's why believe we should try to save them both.
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Pokemonlover777 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Both matter! Thank you for agreeing
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